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Our pastor talked about this at mass last Sunday. Generally, he's a decent homilist, but he lost me in all the arcane argle-bargle inside baseball. He likened the group to Martin Luther. He had a decent explanation of why Vatican 2 was valid. Sure, the Holy Spirit was there guiding things. But as I read more and more, I think Satan had a chair there as well.

Prevost lost me long ago, and his recent genuflection to immigrants was outrageous.

He has no clue how that divides us as a people and a Church. I don't want a multi-lingual service that sucks for both cultures. I don't want mass parts to be sung in ooga booga african languages.

There's a lot good about the Church. But there's a lot that has me questioning whether some of their teachings that are not biblical but the 'magisterium' are really a "because we said so" coming from the heretical sodomite imposter mean girl club.

Hell, look at that ridiculous synod. I poured over the thing. All the troubles in the world, and what's the focus? Homos and trannies. They even included unprecedented stories of the struggles of a few of them. Really? FFS all the trouble, all the issues of the modern day, and that's what our biggest concern as Catholics should be? What's so hard to understand about your sexual proclivities putting you in a state of mortal sin?

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The Sanborn point runs backward. The sede lines were already excommunicated — Thục's consecrations incurred and were declared under the same canon decades ago; Sanborn's episcopacy descends from them. Rome doesn't issue fresh decrees to men who deny Rome exists, for the same reason it doesn't excommunicate Baptists: the penalty presupposes a subject. The SSPX gets paperwork because it insists it's inside. That's not "approved opposition," it's the only opposition with a canonical address.

You wrote punished = legitimized, ignored = feared. Every possible Vatican action confirms the thesis, which means the thesis contains no information. Bishop Roy's own line is the honest part: "necessity can never be invoked against the Sovereign Pontiff." So his solution is to remove the Pontiff, after which necessity justifies anything. That's not solving the SSPX's hard problem, it's deleting the constraint that made it hard. Resisting while remaining subject is the difficult, Catholic position; declaring the see vacant is the easy exit dressed as rigor.

Both the Ecclesia Dei communities and the sede groups split off from the SSPX — the FSSP from priests who left over the 1988 consecrations, the sede lines from men expelled for rejecting the pope. The Society that mainstream Catholics call schismatic is the trunk; its accusers on both flanks are the branches.

The endless spiral of purity-testing who's really Catholic is a dead: every circle it draws is smaller than the last.

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